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To pre-order or not to pre-order, that is the question…
-Adam
Sub thai. It will be very good.
I think that they are right in these companies underestimate the demand for the high end parts. The 3600 is selling like hot cakes, but you can still buy them ez
Bro, im still waiting for your audio comparison: SXFI USB vs Sennheiser GSX100 USB
I already own the GSX1000 and just ordered the SXFI from eBay [someone disappointed with its performance sold it, but at least he said he like audio, not games so thats OK, i like games and movies, not music and i only care about most realistic surround sound trough headphones]
But Im Graphics kinda guy, i cant compare musical things, I cant say which one is better, so i still hope to see your SXFI vs Sennheiser GSX100
And it's even worst when you are living on the other side of the world.
Even more crazy, you could live in South Est Asia where most of these CPUs, GPUs, motherboards are all manufactured and still you will end getting all these hardwares sometimes 6 months later after everyone…
At midnight eastern on release day I checked the NewEgg site and refreshed the page every 5 minutes, since they dont allow preorders. It was about 2 hours before the 3900x popped up as in stock. At the time the X570 boards didn't show as in stock yet. I thought that I might wait to put them on the same order, but decided I would just eat the two separate shipping charges. Lucky I did because it was sold out within 30 minutes. The X570 Aorus master didn't show in stock until around 0400.
I was lucky I ordered my 3900X from Amazon, the day after release. Set up an alert on my Amazon app, and the alert came through I clicked on the order button and 15min later they were sold out. I'm glad that Amazon did not sell them till a day later, as it gave me the chance to watch and read the reviews before buying it.
Got my 3900x from amazon Monday. Gotta be quick when they restock. Only restock like 5 at a time
NEVER PRE-ORDER CPU OR GPU HARDWARE FROM AMAZON. 9900k pre-order $650, I pre-ordered about a two weeks in advance and the CPU was delayed indefinitely, it went 6 weeks after launch I still did not have my CPU, I was in a "wait line", the customer service was horrible, I never got a clear answer except that they were sold out and when they got new shipments from Intel they would process orders again, where I was at in that wait list was never revealed, after 7 weeks went by I canceled my pre-order and also during that time they can take your $$$ from the bank if they finally ship it, so 7 weeks I kept extra money in my bank account waiting for them to process it and it was a hassle to deal with, I never knew amazon customer service was sooo bad. They also did not give a care package or a gift card or a "sorry we messed up" apology for never shipping my items.
Pre-order my 3900x from the biggest AMD certified European online shop on the 12th of July and received it on the 10th of August.
So yeah, 1 month but some 7/7 pre-orders are still not fulfilled…
It's not a good situation
In theory pre-order works but I couldn't pick up right away so 3 days later they sold my parts. I threatened to burn the mf'er down and got a refund and picked up a discounted 3600 instead based on Ryzen's history of the 2600 and 1600 parts being the best bang for the buck. I was also lucky because that included a 2070 super, definately getting a 5700xt now.
So the problem really is all of the above but I'd like to think ole Johnny boy part timer over at the brick and mortars just mess things up for everyone. I work hard for my capitalist pig money, gimme what I'm owed.
I don't think it's wrong, I believe it teaches people to study their plan of approach more efficiently. The smart individual will save money in the long run, or just not have a bunch of parts sitting around, they'll never use to it's best potential vs $ spent.
3rd party sellers are hoarding them….
these are great thx
europ no problem 3900x or 2080ti or 9900k
I think they are causing price to rise and keep a high price for a long time.
I thought the reason 3900X aren't available is because they try to build 3900X and the ones with bad chiptlets get disabled and sold as 3800x or 3700x?
nop .
i ordered my 3900x at launch and it is now due on 31st aug lol
I do not get mad at Nvidia for example, my anger goes to some third party vendors who buy them up and turn around and jack the price up over $100 for cards that should be selling for much less. For many we never even get the chance to buy them before they are sold out again, it's just very frustrating, but what choice do we have but to wait and be patient. 🙂
I only checked two etailers but both had the 3900X available today. B&H and Newegg have it in stock for MSRP. Amazon has a shipping date of 8/15 listed.
If your second hand market is good/healthy. We can try buying lower tier and resell it for bit loss when the upper tier became available again.
RE: Standing outside microcenter for 3900X, Mine was sold out 90 minutes after store opening. Along with Crosshair hero, Taichi, and Gigabyte Master Mobo's. 3 hours after opening, 3700X's were out of stock as well. Was gonna complain, but now at least If i talk fast enough I can confuse the wife with garbage justification to grab a 3950X next month 🙂
I predict that those who have been patient will be rewarded with price cuts on 3600/3600x/3700x skews considering that the lack of separation between all Ryzen 3000 regarding frequencies and OC ability really only makes selections on what number if cores/threads meet your computing needs.
Certain retailers such as Best Buy were very slow to fill online orders (or slow to remove them from being ordered), my 3900x order placed on 7/9/19 still showed delayed when I was able to place another 3900x order when the skew showed in stock last week and which has shipped.
Also curious was the 3800x also was unavailable. The fact that availability issues which seemed to only affect the 2 high performance/highest priced skews indicates the logical thought that AMD was being conservative and produced the most volume with the more affordable 3600/3600x and 3700x skews.
I think the vendors/manufacturers could get review samples out sooner. They then could allow reviewers to publish a 2-3 weeks before launch and accept "pre-orders" after embargo lift. Now I know they WON'T EVER do that. But it could help customers finalize purchase decisions and Manufacturer/Vendors gauge demand so that they can ramp up production of one particular part in a line. Again I say THIS WON'T EVER REALLY HAPPEN, but boy wouldn't it nice if it did?
Limited supply at launch is there to protect both customers and chip manufacturers. Say the product is a dud with low volume sales, manufacturers make less products and don't suffer a huge loss. Say the product is a hit but like with 3900X you couldn't play Destiny 2 at Ryzen launch and had to wait for code improvements just to launch the game or experienced board compatibility issues. Fewer buyers at launch means fewer angry customers. Early adopters are used to dealing with "growing pains" but not everyone. Gradual adoption helps both sides equally.
PCWorld : supply constraints with the i9 9900K last year and the i7 8700K the year before were completely artificially made by Shintel. They didn't know if they are gonna sell them at all….so they partially rolled out small batches to test the market and if it comes to a point that it doesn't sell at all at least that way they only have potential losses for a certain small batch of cpu-s that went to the market. It's a precautional tactic for not loosing too much money on a certain product in one quarter of a year. Shintel has been using this tactic since Ryzen launched back in 2017. They are seeing the numbers of sales as they in reality are and Shintel is affraid of their oversupplies. Ryzen is today selling 20 : 1 compared to Shintel if we combine desktop, enthusiast and server markets together and Shintel knows that and are very aware of them being the No.2 cpu manufacturer, believe me :).
hahahahaha i pre ordered xD im happy with the 3900x hahahahahah love u guys
It's even simpler than that, if they have too much production after the launch they will have to ramp down and that wastes money, so they stockpile some but that costs money and time and during that time their competitors could be making announcements. There is no solution, unless you want to pay more across the board.
Companies run out of new hardware also because of eBay douche bags buying them up to hose people.
You are wrong Gordan!
I like these shorter videos with Gordon and Adam. I can't always spend an hour and a half watching the Full Nerd.
Here a question, why do motherboards still come with an empty CMOS-battery in 2019? I had one: Gigabyte Elite. I got the battery out to check if there is some insulator to prevent drainage before you use it, nope. I put it back: no result. I changed the direction because the geniuses of Gigabyte had the markings in black on black plastic. No result. I contacted the shop, the shops sent a new battery, I put it in and I didn't loose the BIOS settings every time that I turned off the PSU and unplugged it (I had reasons) or when an OC of the RAM did not stick and the BIOS reset. A brand new motherboard and still Gigabyte did not succeed at giving us a battery which works, that is impressive. What do they do? Do they have those batteries in sockets for years and only then install it in the motherboard?
As Adam suggested with his question, the 3900X got launched too early. AMD should have started with the 3600 to 3700X and release the 3900X later. Problem solved. It would also prevent the issue of some 3900X CPU's not getting the boost (>=4.50 GHz) which was advertised. In general the software for Zen2 is immature. Tell me why it happens that enabling PO leads to a lower single-core boost, that doesn't make any sense. Tell me why the POST takes 13 seconds? There also are some other weird issues. It is the same story over again, AMD doesn't have the software ready at launch. We also saw this with Navi, nothing gamebreaking but a few serious issues. I understand that AMD has a much smaller software-team than the other two companies but they really need to fix this! Better use that extra Navi-profit for it.
Gordan! What if AMDmicrosoft engineering team makes an surface book using infinity fabric compenents for zen 2navi SOC?
It has never been reasonable to expect technology products (whether newly introduced or not) to be available on shelves globally as if they were just boxes of soap powder.
IMO one of the bigger advantage for suppliers is that they can release in small batches, everything will be sold out and the price will never have go down. Also it builds up the hype.
If you look at eBay, there’s so many used intel cpus for sale, because they switched to AMD.
Not correct vis-a-vis AMD 3900X. Its not a different SKU, but the same SKU, just a higher binned part. So that means they are able to FAB the CPUs' so they hit the lower specs of a e.g. 3600, but there is not enough tolerance in the FAB to get as many CPUs' to hit the 3900X mark, which also accounts for the 3950X launch delay… So AMD are having FAB issues/demand issues, not issues in manufacturing different SKUs (which isn't really surprising, given that Intel has been holding back the CPU market with 4 core nonsense for almost a decade, so that when a 12 core CPU is released into the mainstream at a realistic price, demand is exceptionally high). I'm holding out for the 3950X, but I'm guessing the wait will be exceptional too)!
The Chiplets are identical, just better binned for those that hit the higher specs!
With all the crap going on with the new AGESA updates, probably just as well they're out of stock. Reminds back when I got my 2600K and all first gen motherboards had to be RMA'd. Was bad then can't imagine what it would be like now.
i preordered my evga 1080 oc 2 for 375 dollar, that was a bargain. I would never preorder a CPU tho.
The RTX2080ti sold out because other RTX card is a piece of shit
Microcenter has the 3900X in stock today in my local Dallas store. I picked up mine last week when they got some. It's an awesome chip. AMD must really love them because they seem to be the only major retailer that has been getting stock. Heck, even AMD don't have any to sell on there site.:)
I did pre-order RTX cards and 3900X and they all got delayed. Pre-order is useless.